the trump team refusing to release any of the president's tax returns and the administration is being sued for not releasing visitor logs and those that allow the public to know exactly who is going then candidate and citizen railed on president obama to release the logs. remember, he campaigned on drain the swamp. now ethics experts say this add manage is the least transparent in decades. could this impact the president's ability to deliver on his promises. we'll cover this and more on day 89 of the trump presidency. let's begin with joe johns live at the white house. good morning, joe. >> reporter: good morning, chris. on a day when millions of americans have to file their taxes it's a reminder donald trump ran on transparency and used it as a weapon. now after he's gotten the job and taken a seat in the oval
office, it doesn't seem to matter much. >> is it time to say once and for all, the president is never going to release his tax returns. >> we'll have to get back to you on that. >> the white house on the defensive facing mounting criticism over the administration's lack of transparency. >> the same audit that existed so nothing changed. >> sean spicer again citing routine audit as refusal to release tax returns. although it does not prevent dislo disclosure. >> another key campaign promise, overhaul of the tax code. democrats are uniting on a pledge to not rewrite unless they know specifically how that would benefit billionaire president and his family. a growing number of republican lawmakers also calling on the
president to make his returns public. >> i think it would be a good gesture on his part to release them like all other presidents have. >> some lawmakers shouted down at town halls over trump's taxes. >> as far as i know the president says he's still under audi audit. >> reporter: the president himself downplaying the issue amid nationwide protests tweeting i did what was an almost possible thing to do for a republican, easily won the electoral college. now tax returns are being brought up again. the administration also facing scrutiny for refusing to disclose who is golfing with the president and for reversing an obama era precedent making white house visitor logs public. >> we recognize there's a privacy aspect to allowing citizens to come and express their views. >> sean spicer suggesting such disclosures would be harmful and unnecessary. the obama white house redacted
some visitor names while acknowledging the trump administration will not release any. >> frankly the faux attempt the obama administration came out where they would scrub what they didn't want out didn't serve anyone wells pr this policy inconsistent with the pass criticism of obama who he called the least transparent president ever. why does obama feel he shouldn't comply with records releases his predecessors did of his own volition. hiding something? kenosha wisconsin to visit snappon tools. he's expected to challenge an order, visa program, that brings in skilled workers. the object of this order is to promote hiring american workers. >> a white house reporter for "wall street journal" carol lee
and cnn political analyst david drucker and maggie. great to see all of you. maggie, for those of us who covered president trump, donald trump for a long time, the idea that he now doesn't want to release his taxes comes as no surprise but it may surprise voters who believed him when he said he would at one point. >> i don't know how many voters believed him to be fair. voters went into voting booth on election day with as much knowledge as you can get. it was clear he would not release them no matter what the excuse. however, he is president, has a raft of business conflicts and it becomes an issue. when you combine the white house changed what the obama white house was on visitors logs, you don't know who is going in to meet with his aides. >> what's that about? what's so scintillating in the
visitor logs they don't want to release those. >> i can speculate. it opens them up to criticism on transparency. rational how it was potential for governing is a head scratcher and i imagine there's going to be lawsuits where if they lose you wonder what the point was. >> we've seen this before. trump in 2012 went after obama, why are you lacking releasing visitor logs, now you're doing the same thing. does the hypocrisy matter? he says under audit. that hasn't changed. we've never seen any proof he's under audit. >> he can still release. >> it is legitimate. can you release under audit, i understand that, but you don't have to. >> there's years that aren't under audit. >> he says he's always under audit. >> hold on. this matter we're going to hear about it. >> they won't comment. >> the irs won't comment. >> he has not shown he's under
audit. i get that tax attorneys will say to you if you're under audit better not to show. the question is, higher standard and will it come out? >> his attorneys say some years like 2010 were no longer -- >> his attorneys never put out a statement saying these years we can release. that we haven't heard. should he? >> a substantive issue here in the political issue. substantively the country is better off when you have the president of the united states releasing as much information about his business ties and financial relationships as possib possible. i think the country operates better when we have facts to make a decision. it sends a message in terms of how the democracy operates. we expect this sort of thing from high officials. politically this is not the kind of thing that is going to cause him problems. the voters have built in with donald trump, into the cost of administration, all sorts of things, including the fact he said, yeah, i'm going to release
my tax returns. never mind. i don't want to. where that could potentially cause a problem, when it could change, in 2020 if he runs for election with a cloud of scandal over him because they are not under fbi investigation, all of a sudden people might start to make a different judgment about his level of transparency and what that means to him. >> at the moment let's look at the public polls on this. this is the quinnipiac poll, the latest poll, on should mr. trump release taxes. 68% say yes. here is another interesting poll. gallup poll of americans. americans who say trump keeps his promises. in february 62% believe he did, now 45%. i hear, david, none of this matters until election day 2020. it seems as though the public is changing their opinion about it. >> the danger is you create a narrative that the president is going to create this narrative that's going to follow him. that starts now. that's not an election day
thing. that's something that happens early on in this presidency. it's not just this. what is feeding this idea he doesn't keep his promises is a number of promises. it's policies. it's transparency. it's tax returns. so there's a number of ways in which this can cut against him. if you're in the white house you're weighing what is the benefit of releasing tax returns based on what's in them versus not, which gives you a bigger hit. on the transparency issue, the argument on the logs what they are essentially saying is obama did this in a way that wasn't fully transparent so we're not going to do any of that. >> also obama was worse. >> spicer tried that, that they can move on national security, so we can take everybody off so why make it transparent. what i have been trying to argue with the people around the president to release them is the nothing burger argument, which is if you are so convinced, then
put them out. will that throw cold water on people who think there's something there. very often this would be great brinkmanship, i don't want to put them out, then there's nothing there. a big political victory. the problem is the people advising the president around him haven't seen his taxes, carol, so how can they make a good argument what to do with them. >> the argument today, the democrats are going to use this not just as political bludgeon but stop his policy from moving forward. this is a president that really struggles to get -- >> we heard our friend richard painter, the ethics czar from the bush administration say can't do tax return until he releases his taxes. do you buy that? >> i buy that the democrats have a base in no mood to negotiate with the president. the tax becomes part of that argument. i don't know if i buy it on its own as an argument. it's impossible to separate out the degree to which the
democratic base -- there was a small window at the beginning of his term. by very beginning i mean like day one through three where there was some feeling he could make inroads with democrats, hold onto gains he made with independents if he capitulate a little bit. he has done none of that. so democrats are not in the mood o. >> not just intransigents. they are saying how will we know what will benefit the trump administration. why would we vote for something that's going to make you richer. >> i think to maggie's point, the bigger problem president trump has working with democrats, a tweet yesterday, where he recommended a book about democrats, a bunch of blank pages. >> put it on amazon. >> it's funny but in the context of governing, you have to put this sort of campaign attacking
asi aside. that's one of the reasons the democratic base dead set doing anything with them. they feel constant ridicule and attack from him so their party is so in no mood to test their relationship with their base by working with him on major issues. >> when have we had a president in modern memory who has done zero outreach to the people who did not vote for him. that's what it comes back to. not as if this is political brinkmanship. this is a president who lost the popular vote bioa small margin and zero outreach to people not with him who basically represented his base. >> that was the original plan. remember early reporting what jared was going to do, dj team 100. a plan in place to get to 100% popularity. the most expansive presidential base ever. now it seems to be shrinking, not growing. that's what we're seeing with special elections. in kansas it was important to get out there and say it was a blow up win. he won by more than estes did.
in georgia it's tight also so much so he's taken to twitter to bash this candidate we'll have on the show later on. how important is it? >> from a perception standpoint it's hugely important. he's obviously a new president. there's a lot of questions whether he's politically viable beyond the circumstances in the 2016 election. and if he were to lose these seats, politics has had ripple effect. it would have an impact. he's struggling not just with democrats, talking about working with republicans in congress. and so if he were to lose, it gives another way in which they would feel emboldened to not side with him. there's that real question of whether or not they are. >> as said coming up on new day we'll speak with georgia
democrat about that special election that he could win. it was tom price's seat. >> we have politics at home. we also have politics abroad. we're following breaking news from japan. vice president mike pence in tokyo discussing u.s./japan alliance and nuclear threat from north korea. a news conference with deputy prime minister pence said that the u.s. will work to find a peaceful solution but all options remain on the table. pence says japan's prime minister agrees with the u.s. position that strategic patience on north korea has run out. >> dialogue for the sake of dialogue is valueless. it is necessary for us to exercise pressure. the united states of america believes the time has come for international community to use both diplomatic and economic pressure to bring north korea to a place it has avoided for more
than a generation. we will not rest and we will not relent until we achieve the objective of a denuclearized korean peninsula. >> pence calling north korea the most ominous threat facing the asia-pacific region. >> so the president's top advisers will be meeting today. they themselves are deeply divided over the paris climate agreement. will the u.s. stay in this global pact? we take a closer look next on "new day." kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how's your mom? life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you.
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. all right. top white house advisers are expected to meet today to discuss whether the u.s. should withdraw from the paris climate change accord. you remember this one. it was a landmark 2015 international agreement. it set the most modern goals to reduce emissions over the next several decades. president trump and circles reportedly divided over what to do. cnn political analyst maggie hagerman back to discuss. what do we know of this division? >> we know it is similar to almost every other issue in the white house. you could set the phrase split down the middle to repeat. on the one side you have steve
bannon and others who believe this ought to be ripped up, this accord is problematic and regressive to some extent. on the other side you have people like secretary of state rex tillerson who argues this is actually an important seat at the table the united states should have. it is critical for the president to have a clear sense of where he's going on this before his first trip which is coming in a couple weeks. you have a deadline set for when the decision should be made. i don't think the president has a deep seated feeling one way or another. we know on twitter before he was a candidate many years ago he talked about climate change as a hoax. he made all sorts of comments about throwing out this accord when he was a candidate. as we have seen he has discovered governing is a little different and have you to make different adjustments. he has been very, very firm on sticking to the promises he made to coal country about essentially ripping up regulations, bringing back jobs. bringing back those jobs is going to be pretty tough for a
lot of reasons. you're going to see him looking through the prism of his political base. >> if you look at the breakdown with jared and ivanka on one side and steve bannon on the other. doesn't wisdom of today, this week suggest the supportive side wins? >> first of all i'm not clear how aggressively jared kushner and ivanka trump are only issue. it was floated as something they were going to look at, particularly ivanka trump. i don't think she's used a ton of capital on this. frankly she's used a fair amount of capital recently according to our reporting helping to marginalize steve bannon. you know this is someone we both covered a long time, he tends to swing back in the other direction sometimes. whether this is going to be an issue he does that remains to be seen. i wouldn't assume just because the people in the white house right now are in favor of sticking with this accord means that's where the president will go. >> you have political and policy dynamic. on the policy side you almost have to give a little compassion
to the president on this. has he no one around him that knows anything about this. he has oil man giving advice on what to do about environmental accord. an ironic side given exxon's past on the issue. he doesn't really have anybody in this conversation he's having that can know anything. then the policy side. there's a lot more to know about he missions, a lot of business sharing and incentive structures built in. this is almost like a trade deal on some levels. so if you don't have a seat at the table, which is what rex tillerson is caulking about, you're going to lose out. >> it goes back to campaign rhetoric versus reality. the president has talked about fair trade. he has talked about reversing trends in deals like nafta, for instance. that's a big headline people understand. whether people are going to understand the details of the paris accord and how that relates and see that as impact in their lives i think is a big open question. i'm not sure he's going to actually want to start ripping
that up. >> they seem to be getting bruised by hand fisted we don't know if global warming is real or not. every time one of his secondaries pops up and says something like that, the slap down is severe and unanimous, other than a little pocket he can't depend on exclusively for support anymore. do you think that plays into this? >> i do. i think there's a bigger question again and we talked about this before, there's the question of how much outrage he's going to do to people who are not supportive of him. this is one that will upset his base. we certainly know where his epa head is. he is in favor of a lot less regulation. he essentially was a businessman against a lot of the regulations we've seen. i think that's another complicating factor. i think when push comes to shove, i think the president sees his approval ratings ticking up. he tweet add rasmussen poll that seemed wildly out of sync with other polls but if you look at the gallup poll it's inching up a little bit. he will look at the numbers and
feel a firm and moderate approach and that will likely be what -- >> we don't use the rasmussen poll because its methodology is not one that most news organizations use. they use land lines. >> correct. >> let's talk about the globe trotting we've seen of his cabinet and advisers, jared kushner going to iraq, rex tillerson moscow, mike pence. is this customary for the president stay behind and send everybody else out. >> my colleague wrote about this the other day. it's not that the president isn't going abroad, the president is not going west of mississippi. we're seeing incredibly localized presidency, which is very again what we know of donald trump. he's a home body who doesn't like sleeping in beds that aren't his own. >> unless it's florida. >> that's his own. golf club is his own. has he an apartment in l.a. he does not -- remember how frequently during the campaign
he would fly back to new york to sleep in his own bed. he is not somebody who is global. he's a very provincial politician more so than anybody we've seen. i do think some of this is a result of -- you heard the white house say when he did his address to congress, we're told he was going to go out and sell these policies at rallies and visits and not campaign-style stops but certainly presidential stops around the country. that has not materialized. >> you have convenience and you have what you're raising now, which is this confidence issue. it can't be a coincidence he's tweeting about the electoral college and all these petty things in the media when he's got north korea and syria hotly debated. he knows he should be weighing in on those and yet he is not. >> i think there's the question and we have had this question a while on how much of a ceremonial presidency we'll see for somebody who has not been in the government or political domain before.
it's interesting how much he's delegatin delegating. some is a surprise. there are areas where he's not well versed. there's a reason you have mike pence visiting asia. i think it's incumbent on the president to make a stand of his own and make a trip that leaves a mark. >> maggie, thank you. always great to have you in studio with us. we have to give you an update on this story. the ohio man still on the run. he's accused of committing this heinous murder and posting on facebook. now the victim's family has a very surprising message for the suspected killer. we have all the details when "new day" continues. e, so our engineers can solve problems with the most precise data at their fingertips. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.
so the nationwide manhunt intensified for a suspect accused of gunning down an ohio grandfather on easter sunday and posting that footage to facebook. so far no concrete leads on the suspect's whereabouts as dramatic 911 calls, though, are released. live in cleveland with the latest. what are the police saying, sarah? >> reporter: steve stephens now on the fbi's post wanted list as
police overnight releasing 911 calls from the scene. investigators here saying the killer could be anywhere. the manhunt for 37-year-old steve stephens expanding nationwide. police warning residents across five states that the alleged killer is considered armed and dangerous. >> we're still asking steve to turn himself in. if he doesn't, we'll find him. >> cleveland's mayor announcing $50,000 reward for information leading to stephens arrest. after reports of a citing and a possible cell phone ping in pennsylvania turned up false. stephens on the run after shooting and killing 74-year-old robert godwin and posting a video of the crime on facebook prompting horrified neighbors to call 911. >> what's your address? >> lord have mercy. oh, my god. >> seconds before the killing, stephens asked godwin to say the
name of a woman telling him she's the reason why this is about to happen to you. that woman says she is overwhelmed by the tragedy telling cbs news, steve really is a nice guy. he is generous with everyone he knows. he was kind and loving to me and my children. police confirming they did make contact with stephens after the issue remarking he has deep, deep issues. >> steve, if you can hear this, understand there are people who care and we really want to make sure that you are safe, that you get the help that you need. >> the victim's family grieving their unspeakable loss. >> each one of us forgive healer, murderer, we want to wrap our arms around him. >> if i didn't know him as my god and savior, i could not forgive that man. i feel no animosity against him at all. i actually feel sadness in my heart for him. i do.
i feel real sadness. >> all of us. >> today stephens employer where he worked as vocational specialist remains closed out of concern for the safety of its employees. alisyn. >> thank you so much. that family's message is so profound. we'll speak with them later in the program. it gets you every time so soon, even while he's on the run, they can forgive him. >> power of faith. they believe in a higher power set of expectations for their own life. it does free families from that bond of hatred with the person who took their loved one. >> the 8:00 hour, stick around for that. >> u.s. supreme court rejecting arkansas's request to begin a series of inmate executions later this month. the high court deciding to leave the state supreme court's stay of execution in place blocking the planned lethal injection of convicted killer don davis.
arkansas wanted to fasttrack the executions before its lethal injection supply expires. two of executions are still scheduled for thursday night. >> ahead, the white house delivered a warning to north korea. >> the era of strategic patience is over. >> okay. what exactly does that mean? did the white house just draw some line in the sand? we discuss with our experts. ♪ we asked people to write down the things they love to do most on these balloons. travel with my daughter. roller derby. ♪ now give up half of 'em. do i have to? this is a tough financial choice we could face when we retire. but, if we start saving even just 1% more of our annual income... we could keep doing all the things we love. prudential. bring your challenges.
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vice president pike pence is in japan this morning trying to rea sure that key ally about the increased tensions over north korea. the trump administration is delivering a message to the reclusive regime but what does this message mean? >> the era of strategic patience is over. >> will policy of strategic patience has ended. >> the era of strategic patience was a policy that the obama administration enacted to simply wait and see. i think we have now understood that that policy is not one that is prudent for the united
states. >> joining us now is gordon chang, author of "nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the road" almost climb nist for "daily beast." good to have you in the studio. they are on the same page which you don't hear from his cabinet. era of strategic patience is over. what does that mean? >> sort of more of the same as we've seen now with the obama policy but much more of the same, really being much more intensive. the one area they may diverge and they have given hints talking to the press on background, they are talking about secondary sanctions on chinese entities and banks on north korea's illicit congress that's doing to take a big act of political will. we don't know if they are going forward on that. >> that's how you interpret patience being over, possibly more sanctions, not any military action. >> what we have seen is really what the obama administration and bush administration before
that did. for instance the "uss carl vinson" strike group, aircraft carrier, three destroyers and a cruiser going into the sea of japan. it's a little bit different this time, relates to pence in tokyo, japanese destroyers are also going to participate in those exercises. that's critical. that's a message not only to north korea but china that u.s. and japan will cooperate on a military level and two navy's will work together. >> to be fair, a little is guesswork. there's been no policy articulated. we don't no if there are differences. you're seeing this play out realtime with the vice president in asia. you're talking whether or not the difference between strategic patience and this new maximum pressure and engagement, how that's going to play out. what's your sense of being with the president? >> that it's really unclear, that certainly they in the administration led by the vice
president here in asia and japan today as you mentioned have made a calculation that they need to be tougher with regard to their rhetoric vis-a-vis north korea and saying explicitly they are breaking from the policies of the past administrations, but it is still really unclear how that is going to play out in reality. i tried to ask the vice president about it yesterday, what does it mvp in practical terms, didn't get a real answer. as we know, the notion of putting pressure on north korea by using china, for example, and using their leverage to pressure north korea, that's not new. at the end of the day, the question, and probably the hard truth, is that north korea does not want to give up its nuclear program. it is what they are about. it is their culture and obviously they have devised it to be their culture, the center
of their culture, to be as militaristic as possible. it's still -- they are trying to feel it out. that's really the truth of the answer. >> gordon, north korea is saying some ominous things. their ambassador to the u.n. says they are going to launch weekly missile tests now. they warn thermonuclear war could happen at any time. you've studied this region and this regime, what does work with them? >> i think the only thing that does work is the u.s. administration basically signaling they are going to put the disarmament of north korea at the top of the foreign priority list. we haven't done that for very long time, not since 1994. only until we do that can we then marshall all the elements of u.s. power. i think this is a message to beijing, especially during bush administration from 2003 on, we put our relations with china above disarming north korea. north koreans saw that.
if we reverse those priorities, i think we can actually come to a solution. >> doesn't it seem as though president trump is again doing that? now he says he has such good chemistry with president xi of china, that seems more important or no? >> that's the means to an end. we're going to see how long the chinese cooperate. i think they work with us for the last couple of weeks. the issue is not two weeks but a much longer period of time. until we actually start stopping proliferation of china to north korea, will we actually have a good basis of cooperation with the chinese. >> that's the piece trump wasn't dealing with during the campaign. during the campaign, they are raping us with their currency, which by the way wasn't true. it wasn't true but it played well. now he's in a big chair. these guys have a lot to do with north korea. gee, i don't have the leverage i thought i did. let me take it easy here. now he's got great chemistry
with the president of china in his own estimation. they are working with us, so it's okay. the complexity seems to be tying the president's hands. >> absolutely. you know, i think in some ways the president thinks they have leverage with china because of his tough talk on the economic side against china during the campaign, the idea being that because the threat was there to really try to hurt china economically, that that would be the stick and maybe a second stick instead of a carrot now that north korea is front and center. maybe we won't do that right now, what you saw with currency manipulation. they think they have more leverage with china. but good luck with that. let's hope they are right. >> dana bash. gordon chang, appreciate the perspective as always.
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the bleacher report. so important you had to be on set. what do we know? >> yes, glad to be here with you guys. wait until we see this. grizzly's loss to the spurs down 2-0 in bers of seven. he had 47 points, more than half came from foul shots. the officials gave the spurs entire team more than double the amount of foul shots, the grizzlies coach went off. he says the officials were against us. he says it was a lack of respect. watch this. >> my guys dug in that game and earned the right to be in that game and they did not even give us a chance. take that. >> getting saucy. did you see that blood boiling. i've got to share a good story. girls can't run in the boston marathon, that's what katherine switzer was up 50 years ago, nearly run off the road by the
director of the marathon she kept on running becoming the first woman to officially unrun the race. yesterday at 70 years old very pinned on her iconic bib 261 one more time. this time nothing but love and support. this was her 40th marathon. guys, she finished in 4:44. that's only 24 minutes slower than she ran 50 years ago. faster than cuomo could ever dream of running, myself as well. they are going to retire her number. she was averaging 10-minute miles. >> wow. >> 70 years old she looks incredible. >> that is a great story. >> 10-minute miles relevant. you know on the treadmill when you put it at 6, that's what she ran. >> she's a super woman. love it. >> great to see you. >> better in person, i want you to know that. >> listen to this. he's known for peddling
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he is a controversial radio host. he's got millions of followers. he's known for promoting wild conspiracy theories through his website info wars. you've heard of alex jones. have you heard, according to his own counsel, he is playing a character. this happened during a custody hearing. he and his former wife arguing about who should have the kids and under what conditions. reportedly his lawyer told the court jones is a, quote, performance artist. let's bring in cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin and alan dershowitz, professor emeritus. why would we bring in the big legal guns? because the truth will have an impact in court and public opinion. how do you see this playing out now? >> it's ironic. he persuades the court he's a
total phony -- >> why does he want to do that? >> his wife said he's his treating the children because he does programs at home, wild conspiracy theory, no such thing as truth and he's out of control and screams at people and that's not the way to bring up children. by the way, she could win on that even if he prevails on the fact he's play acting, if he's play acting in front of the kids in a way that's damaging to them it could have an impact. look, i don't think kids should be taken away from parents based on the parents political views except in very extreme cases. but he's put himself in a very difficult situation by acknowledging in court that he's play acting. his viewers don't want to hear that. >> i did a piece for the new yorker last year about a lawsuit where hulk hogan sued gawker for running a sex tape, and he won. a big part of his case was hulk hogan is a character i play.
i am terry and hurt by release of this sex tape. there is precedent going it jurors and the court and saying, look, i play a character. the real me is different. the problem is, donald trump, who is the president of the united states as you may remember, has said alex jobst is a very important voice. >> reputation is amazing he said. >> and i will not let you down. that's where this gets -- >> we don't like if we can avoid on the show trafficking in "people" situations, outside of the am bit of what they do oufts work. we hope everything goes okay with his kids. but he's a phony? there are people who hang on his words. the attacks i get, professor, when you encroach on questioning alex jones. if he's a phony, what would that mean? >> first of all he's going to argue i'm not a phony, i'm just
an exaggerator. i play one on television. but he said i believe this to the depth of my feelings. >> then he's in a bind. if he does supposedly, i don't listen to alex jones, he supposedly went on the show and said something a little different, tried to salvage. if he does do that, now he's got a problem. he's got to lose somewhere to win somewhere else. >> that's exactly right. >> to his credit he seems to be putting his kids in front of his career. you've got to give the guy credit for that. if that's what he does, what do you think of that? what do you think it will mean to him, not legally, but what does it mean to him if he comes out and says, yeah, i'm a phony, i do performance art, one of the changes? >> i think what we've learned in the past year or so about public statements and people making false statements is people believe what they want to believe. i don't think it will have any impact on alex jones as a radio -- >> none? >> i don't know about zero but
basically none. people who listen to him want to believe his conspiracy theories. they will say this conversation among the three of us is just the media being critical who is a truth teller. people believe that they want to believe especially in these heightened situation. >> i'm the wife's counsel, i'm saying he's a performance audience that makes it worse. he's playing to vaughn rabble people who believe in these conspiracy people. that's the kind of agency you want around children, no thanks. that's a strong argument. >> strong argument. >> but courts take children away from parents -- >> depends how much he wants to see him. >> he may be a good person, even though he's a bad person, does terrible things in materials of the news. going to have to take the politics out of this. what if this guy was an extreme leftist? are we going to take kids away because we don't like the way he presents himself in the media. >> important parallel.
i don't think the next one will take much time. the idea of suing president trump for being out of line and becoming aggressive and violent at one of his rallies. any chance? >> zero. >> trump made me do it, kind of these fighting words. it's also just if you listen to what trump said -- >> he did not encourage violence by this man. he did what i think his lawyers said, he called for security to throw people out. now, could trump have handled the situation in a more calm way? exactly. that's why we have first amendment so people can say things we disapprove of. >> he's going to lose the first part of the case. that is he's going to lose the argument that because he's president he doesn't get to be sued while he's in office. i think he's right about that morally and i think the supreme court was wrong even though it was 9-0. the law is the law. in the clinton case they said a president, sitting president,
can be sued for acts that occurred before he was president. >> that's probably more important than anything else in this case. gentlemen, you make us better. thank you. we have an interview with democratic congressional candidate from georgia who is getting the attention of president trump in a big way. so what do you say, let's get after it. >> for 40 years presidents have released their tax returns to the public. >> i think the american public knows clearly where he stands. >> i think it would be a good gesture on his part to release them. >> i want more transparency. i want more information. >> there is no military resolution in north korea. >> all options are on the table and there they will remain. >> we could use coherent policy to present to the american people. >> i don't want to telegraph what i'm doing or thinking. i'm not like other administrations. >> the manhunt for 37-year-old steve stephens expanding nationwide. >> we're not going to stop you believe he's in custody. >> you out there